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The biggest scum-bag move of Christopher Price
#1
Is attacking the project and person whose work you're taking and (attempting to) sell!

There are many Kickstarter scams and $10 is a good life lesson to not be so gullible, but what really pisses me off is that Price made up lies about Chih-Wei Huang, a guy who has contributed so much to Android.
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#2
sortan Wrote:Is attacking the project and person whose work you're taking and (attempting to) sell!

There are many Kickstarter scams and $10 is a good life lesson to not be so gullible, but what really pisses me off is that Price made up lies about Chih-Wei Huang, a guy who has contributed so much to Android.

Hi sortan, agreed.  CP shows poor form across the board.   With regards to Chih-Wei Huang, when you step back and look at the whole story, it's obvious that CP was looking to for a new star to hitch his wagon to.  Cheers to Mr. Huang for turning the tables on ConsoleOS. 

Respectfully, on the KickStarter front, some are in a bit deeper than $10 bucks.  But, to your point, lesson learned, loud and clear. Smile   First and Last KS for me.
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#3
I certainly didn't mean to sound unsympathetic to the people who lost money, of course. I was very, very, close to being one of you. Two things saved me however. 1) This thread on xda-developers from June 2014 during the Kickstarter. Particularly e.mote's posts. He was pretty much spot on as to how this scam would play out (and for which Price whined and did his best to have him banned and the thread locked). 2) The Kickstarter video. Most people with genuine products would spend the time with demos and design plans, not on themselves like Price did.

Also, as I've posted elsewhere, by this time it was well known that there would be no dual-boot from the big players as both Microsoft and Google were against it. For someone who now claims to be so close to Intel, Price should have known this much before the Kickstarter. Chances are he read the same reports, saw the time was right, and got his money, exploiting what people wanted with no intention of delivering anything, like most con artists. Notice how, at the time, he carefully pretended to be independent and not affiliated with Intel's Android version.

Going forward: I would suggest that Kickstarter is not your friend. I see posts all the time asking people to report Price to Kickstarter, and this is a mistake because they will not do anything. Their terms are vague and they have no incentive to get involved. Instead contact your State's Attorney General and perhaps the California Attorney General. They are the only ones who've taken action against Kickstarter scammers so far. To be honest, though, even this is a long shot.

I believe the best we can do, moving forward, is to contact the companies that Price claims he's working with and let them know of his past. Particularly Intel, but also any companies he's conned into providing "rewards" so that other developers can do the work that he's collected money for. It would be nice to make sure that Price is not able to pull a similar scam in the future.

On a side note regarding the forum structure, IMHO, it would be better to have far fewer sub-forums to make things easier to find and navigate.
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#4
Hi sortan, 

Thank you for your well-reasoned response.  I only became familiar with the XDA-Developer forums after "backers voted to abandon Kit Kat", and I knew that the writing was on the wall. 

I was sold on the info-graphic and was beguiled by the idea of my Asus T100 being able to 'insta-switch" and perform like my Toshiba Thrive. And to a hobbyist, it looked like he knew what was going on.  For heaven's sake, they had been working on it for 18 months (in stealth mode, no less.)  
 
I was following the development of the Asus Transformer Book Duet quite closely, and was disappointed when both Google and Microsoft threw up objections.  At one point, one of them was OK with the concept..  I thought it was M$, hoping to get more portable screen real estate.  Anyway, doesn't matter.  

In regards to Kickstarter, I agree as well.  They have their money.  However, they do inform Creators that they are open to suit by backers if they don't deliver.   I've found some documentation to this effect, that I'll post later. 

I understand some state's AGs are prosecuting. It's worth doing some investigation.  I think there might be a small claims angle as well.

"On a side note regarding the forum structure, IMHO, it would be better to have far fewer sub-forums to make things easier to find and navigate."

Agreed. Thank you for the feed back.   I'll fix it tonight. 

Cheers!
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#5
What a scammer..........

http://vator.tv/company/consoleos?competition=230

see lower bottom part of page for picture....

Maria Mobilia
Maria Mobilia | Team member
Agile product management, content development, marketing, media production for global markets



so Price can talk to himself on his Kickstarter blog here.....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmv...c/comments
and start setting himself up to BAIL on everyone, and his "project"
Huh Huh

Creator Mobile Media Ventures, Inc. 31 minutes ago

"@ACH - We made clear to Intel that our project depended on Android-IA for PC, and they acknowledged this to us before we debuted on Kickstarter.
At any time, had Intel told us that PC hardware support was going to be dropped, we would have ended the campaign. As we said in our update, we were not informed that Core processor support had formally been dropped until after the campaign had ended. And full PC support was not dropped until the March, 2015 release... four months after we began shipping Console OS."

DUH....if I tell someone on github I'm going to be folking / using their code as my project
depends on it....I OWN THAT.....IT's UP TO ME AND MY "TEAM" TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
AND SKILLS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.......what CPrice did was make clear to Intel that his
project depended on their Android-IA, WITHOUT TELLING HIS BACKERS THE SAME and even
implying that ANDROID-IA wa a competitor in his chart he produced, Intel said we'll let him
do what he wants and give him enough rope to hang himself. They appear to have known
all along that he had no team and no skills to do anything with Android-IA....a pure scam if
there ever was one....and large corporations get them on a daily basis....and know how to
handle them.

as was pointed out on the xda thread in 2014, he has no software skills, he's a blogger...and evidently
couldn't rope in any contract programmers to bail him out as his "reputation" preceded him.....
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#6
I just want to add a couple more links here:

June 17, 2014 (close to 2 years ago) during the Kickstarter

Chih-Wei Huang Wrote:I really hope to stop this thread since it's totally off-topic.
But I'm still curious to ask, what did you try to demonstrate exactly?
The only thing we can see is a notebook in the background
running a demo video while your talked.
There is no clear evidence to show it's
YOUR OS, nor it's a GL ES3 demo.
Everyone who knows how to run android-x86 or android-ia
can make such a demo.
Even it's GL ES3, it's still nothing but what Intel provides in its BSP.
All Intel's partners can get it.

What you should demonstrate in youtube is the unique features
you claim to implement in the announcement.

Can we see such a demo soon?


Besides, I remind ASUS has already demonstrated such a product
about half a year ago in CES2014:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/h...s-feature/

You can still find many demo videos on the youtube, say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olC24sunOOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCrMLKlYq0
(see what you should demo now?)

But finally ASUS is unable to ship this product
because both Microsoft and Google say STOP!

So unless you can change the mind of Microsoft and Google
(it's very unlikely since even ASUS can't)
I'm afraid you will find finally you cannot ship your product
even you finish it.

Good luck, anyway...

Notice how Chih-Wei Huang calls BS on ConsoleOS and, further, how he says that both Microsoft and Google are against dual-boot and that Price will get no further with Intel. This is a thread that Price started and participated in, so any claims of being caught unaware that Intel would not support his efforts until after the Kickstarter ended are flat out lies.

So Price has gone from:

1) Claiming ConsoleOS is a competitor to Android-IA to

2) ConsoleOS is based on Android-IA, but Intel discontinued support days after the Kickstarter ended. Amazon payments and Kickstarter took their cut of the funds immediately so Price couldn't cancel or refund anyone to

3) When someone points out that he has 60 days to issue full refunds, Price changes the timetable to again the say that he only found out that Intel would discontinue support for Core processors after the 60 day point.

All of which are, of course, lies


Here are a couple of links of Price trolling and trying to sabotage Android-x86 with nonsense:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion
and
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion
(creating FUD to try and ensure that only ConsoleOS has certain features)

Price gets banned from the Android-x86 discussion group: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion

Price tries to get back in (after all, where else is he going to leech code from), with more vaporware and empty promises: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...EwI0j6Nwqo
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#7
Well if that's really the case, it implies that the backers are being just as deceptive as the ones who created the project. Who could possible read any of it and believe that what either side is saying is truthful..... Exclamation
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#8
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(01-18-2016, 05:15 PM)sortan Wrote: Here are a couple of links of Price trolling and trying to sabotage Android-x86 with nonsense:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion
and
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion
(creating FUD to try and ensure that only ConsoleOS has certain features)

Price gets banned from the Android-x86 discussion group: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/androi...discussion

Price tries to get back in (after all, where else is he going to leech code from), with more vaporware and empty promises: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...EwI0j6Nwqo

Interesting reading - thanks for the links.
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(01-18-2016, 05:37 PM)tbltsx86 Wrote: [quote pid='84' dateline='1453156799']

Well if that's really the case, it implies that the backers are being just

as deceptive as the ones who created the project. Who could possible
read any of it and believe that what either side is saying is truthful..... Exclamation

[/quote]

Not sure what you mean about being deceptive, and I'm not sure how a backer in this case can be deceptive?  They sent money and haven't received the rewards, or an explanation of how the funds were used. 

I believe the truth is pretty easy to see, and you had it wrapped up pretty well pegged in the second half of your first post. 

Cheers!

(01-19-2016, 12:35 AM)roddie Wrote:
(01-18-2016, 05:15 PM)sortan Wrote: ....

Interesting reading - thanks for the links.

Yeah, thanks sortan..  Wow.   Wow.
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#10
Bye-Bye, and thanks for your contribution..........LOL


seems this is all a backer can expect from the new Q&A system implemented by CP...

Make sure that your System is compatible. Check my signature for more info.
Also, think about posting your system spec so that we can help you.

 Want to check if your device is compatible with cOS ?
Please read =>this!

then when trying to actually find answers it turns out you'll most likely get stuff like thread is locked...
Thread Status: Not open for further replies.

and there has been NO activity in the GITHUB stuff for the past 10-12 days.....
so appears CP finally "bailed" on all his backers....!!!!!!!!!!!


been a sweet ride, now on to my next two scams.....
AndControl & AndCanGo
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